My friend Melanie Joy stops by to discuss Carnism, Veganism and the psychology of empathy and compassion. We discuss people and their aversions to considering the connection between meat and the sentient beings the meat comes from. We also talk about ethics, morals and the relational dysfunction we have that perpetuates this cognitive dissonance. We also touch on the frustration, hostility and dogma that Vegans seem to have and how to avoid it in order to push the movement forward. This is an incredibly inspiring conversation with a brilliant and compassionate human being!
Check Out Melanie Joy’s Website
https://www.melaniejoy.org/about
Beyond Carnism
https://carnism.org/
Getting Relationships Right: How to Build Resilience and Thrive in Life, Love, and Work
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Why We Love Dogs, Eat Pigs, and Wear Cows: An Introduction to Carnism, 10th Anniversary Edition Kindle
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Beyond Beliefs: A Guide to Improving Relationships and Communication for Vegans, Vegetarians, and Meat Eaters
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07BH7NLLD/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_hsch_vapi_tkin_p1_i1
Strategic Action for Animals: A Handbook on Strategic Movement Building, Organizing, and Activism for Animal Liberation
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0031ES9NC/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_hsch_vapi_tkin_p1_i3
Melanie Joy, PhD, is a Harvard-educated psychologist specializing in relationships, communication, and social transformation. She is the award-winning author of six books, including the bestselling Why We Love Dogs, Eat Pigs, and Wear Cows and Getting Relationships Right: How to Build Resilience and Thrive in Life, Love, and Work. Joy is also an internationally recognized speaker and trainer who’s presented her work in fifty countries across six continents.
Joy is best known for her groundbreaking theories on the psychology of violence and nonviolence and building healthy relationships. Her analyses have helped explain why people engage in “nonrelational” behaviors—behaviors that harm other people, animals, the planet, and themselves—as well as how to change this pattern. Her work has been featured by media outlets around the world, including the New York Times, BBC, NPR, and ABC Australia. She is the eighth recipient of the Ahimsa Award—previously given to the Dalai Lama and Nelson Mandela—for her work on global nonviolence; and she also received both the Peter Singer Prize and the Empty Cages Prize for her work developing strategies to reduce the suffering of animals.
Joy’s mission is to help create a more relational world, in large part through raising awareness of the obstacles preventing people from interacting in ways that create a sense of mutual connection. These obstacles are both internal (psychological) and external (social), and they are a key reason why we act against our own interests and the interests of others—often without realizing that we’re doing so. With awareness, we are better able to think freely and act compassionately, to create healthier and more fulfilling relationships and a more equitable and sustainable world.
Joy is the founding president of the international organization, Beyond Carnism. Originally from Boston, Massachusetts, Joy now resides in Berlin, Germany, with her husband and colleague, Sebastian Joy.
Key Moments
0:00 Introduction
1:00 Melanie Joy and Her Vegan Journey
5:15 Cognitive Dissonance
6:00 Social Justice & Animal Rights
9:00 Addressing Contradictory Behavior in Society
11:00 What Is Carnism
12:40 Examples Of Carnism
14:00 Distancing Mechanisms
16:30 Ethics and Morals
20:00 Frustrations and Hostility and Avoiding Dogma
22:00 Relational Dysfunction
27:50 The World Won’t Turn Vegan Overnight
28:50 Be As Vegan As Possible
29:30 Support Your Vegan Friends and Family
31:10 Carnism and Veganism around the World
33:00 Rising Awareness Globally
36:16 The Fight Against Big Meat, Big Dairy and Big Ag
38:00 Outro
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